kelly, founded. he also testified along with the national rifle association's wayne lapierre. commander kelly at one point answered mr. lapierre's claim that background checks don't need to be made universal. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> the nra position, though, and it's shared by many people, is that criminals would still be able to get and use firearms and banning high-capacity rifles still would not work. and banning the semiautomatic weapons, such as the ones used in newtown, aurora and elsewhere. both sides of the gun debate use the assault weapons ban that was in effect from 1994 to 2004 to make their case. listen. >> independent studies including one from the clinton justice department prove that it had no impact on lowering crime. >> the department of justice report assault weapons as a percentage of gun traces, we chose the 70% decline. >> while armed security works, gun bans do not. >> i ha